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Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  7:51:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
Interesting that here is a open source mob that rates Windows as Equal to or Better than Linux

Yankee Group News Releases
Yankee Group Survey Reveals Majority of Enterprises Rate Quality and Performance of Windows Equal to or Better than Linux

NEWS RELEASE - 04 APR 2005
Linux yet to displace Windows across SMB and enterprise markets


Boston, MA, April 4, 2005 – Yankee Group today announced that the majority of SMB and enterprise customers deploying Windows Server 2003 find its quality, performance and reliability equal to or better than Linux. This perception, combined with Microsoft’s extensive installed base, makes it difficult for Linux to displace Windows Server, Windows XP or Office in the SMB or enterprise markets. However, Yankee Group’s survey shows Linux gaining momentum as a complementary server presence in Windows networks. More than 50% of companies surveyed said they plan to install Linux in parallel with, or in addition to, existing Windows operating systems.

According to this independent survey, most respondents that are deploying Linux say that action will not change the status of their installed NetWare and UNIX systems. However, some Netware and UNIX users will migrate away from those legacy operating systems.

The Linux-Windows 2005 TCO Comparison Survey analyzes the TCO and rate of ROI of Windows versus Linux in SMB and enterprise environments. It provides survey results to questions companies face when determining their TCO, such as deployment costs, the cost of downtime, and the time and staff associated with internal and external security attacks.

As companies continue to weigh the security advantages of each operating system, Yankee Group found that users rated security of Linux and Windows Servers to be nearly equal. Microsoft continues to make significant strides in mending its security and patch management issues. Yankee Group survey respondents said that Windows servers recover 30% faster from security attacks than Linux servers. But the survey respondents also indicated that the hourly cost of Windows downtime was three to four times higher than that of Linux server downtime, mainly because there is presently more crucial corporate data stored on Windows servers.

“This survey not only sheds important new light into the battle waged between Windows and Linux, but also into the evolution of the server market,” said Laura DiDio, Yankee Group senior analyst. “While researching the market traction for each vendor, we discovered that server operating systems are largely commoditized. Corporate users report a high degree of satisfaction with the baseline performance and reliability of all of the major server operating systems—Linux, Windows and UNIX. Today, applications and services are the primary drivers that positively or negatively influence TCO costs, advantages and risks.”

Yankee Group based its conclusions on responses from 509 companies spanning vertical markets, including healthcare, academia, financial services, legal, media, retail and government.



Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  8:02:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
So what does the open source mob do when all their hipe is dispelled and actually questioned??

They threaten the Yankee Group analyst, Laura DiDio!

quote:
"DiDio felt the wrath of Linux fanatics when she told ZDNet UK: "There's an extremist fringe of Linux loonies who hang out on forums and are disrespectful and threatening because you disagree with them ... that can hurt the Linux community."

Why do people behave in this manner? Are they driven by passion or some form of ulterior motive?

If an article has so much of a hint of negativity against Linux, the wave of criticism from this faction will know no bounds. Any attempt to reason with them has proven challenging in the past.

Hopefully, in time, the fanatical nature of some Linux followers will be replaced by proper and robust debate based on benchmarks rather than emotional outbursts. It's time to let the facts, not the heart, do the talking.

Fran Foo is ZDNet Australia managing editor.



Interesting food for thought..

Til next time..

Neil



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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  9:13:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
C'mon maate, cant you do better than to quote stuff from Laura DiDioT ??

do some research and you'll find that yankee group is funded by none other than microshafter, would you like some links or can you follow your nose and get em yourself ??
Laura DiDio is a paid microsh!t 'shill'
how about also knowing that linuxinsider is also funded by microdot and not supported by knowledgeable geeks.....
Tell ya what.....start here !!!

http://www.groklaw.net/search.php (type in Laura DiDio and see what you get.....)





Groklaw is run by a "paralegal" reasearcher/journalist

Edited by - Sailfish on 13 Apr 2005 9:20:04 PM
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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  9:38:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
heh heh heh why dontcha throw in some stuff from Maureen O'Gara too ????




Edited by - Sailfish on 13 Apr 2005 9:39:59 PM
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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  9:43:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
Yes, I'm awake and not drunk !!!!



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Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  9:58:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
Like we say:

If an article has so much of a hint of negativity against Linux, the wave of criticism from this faction will know no bounds. Any attempt to reason with them has proven challenging in the past.

OH,, and lets get the facts right here.

1. They are NOT paid for by Microsoft. (Thats the correct spelling by the way, not the insulting way you have clearly picked up)

2. The report is a independant report. Check the dictonary for the meaning of that word. It might enlighten you.

It is true that DiDio is no stranger to the Linux and open-source community at large. The Yankee Group analyst has come under fire on several occasions for her perceived anti-Linux stance by Linux buffoons.

She's copped a lot of flack and has been accused of skewing research results to portray a negative light on open-source platforms like Linux, and accusations range from bribery to DiDio being disingenuous about her methodology.

Yet all that the lunatic fringe of Linux can come up with is insults, death threats and rumour.

To date NOT ONE bit of evidence has been presented that would dispell her points.

But then again why worry about a small thing like facts!

And you should also declare that companies like IBM and HP have for years ploughed a considerable amount of investment into marketing Linux -- the products and the ideology. Oh dear

People do not like fanatics. In fact if someone is as passionate about something as some of the OSS community are, then most people would consider it an unhealthy obsession.


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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:08:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
stop it please I cant see me keybistd..........

you can do better than that mate, c'mon....lets go !!!!





FUD

Edited by - Sailfish on 13 Apr 2005 10:09:25 PM
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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:21:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
Windows v Linux security: the real facts
By John Lettice
Published Friday 22nd October 2004 15:30 GMT

Report Considering the publicity that has surrounded - and, despite super new security-focused Service Packs, continues to surround - Windows security issues, Microsoft's determination to demonstrate that Linux is less secure than Windows shows a certain chutzpah. The company has however had some support here; Forrester, for example, provides some numbers that can be used to support the contention that Microsoft flaws are less severe, less numerous and fixed faster. And although there's a general readiness among users to believe that Windows is a security disaster area, there's also a reasonable amount of support for the view that Linux would get just as many security issues if it had anything like Windows' user base.

But what's the truth? For every claim there is, somewhere, a counterclaim. But until now there has been no systematic and detailed effort to address Microsoft's major security bullet points in report form. In a new analysis published here, however, Nicholas Petreley* sets out to correct this deficit, considering the claims one at a time in detail, and providing assessments backed by hard data. Petreley concludes that Microsoft's efforts to dispel Linux 'myths' are based largely on faulty reasoning and overly narrow statistical analysis. Even if you think you know this already (as we fear may be the case for numerous Register readers), we think you'll find it useful to be able to say why you know it, what the facts and the numbers really are, and where you can get the document to back up what you're saying. Appropriately enough, we're offering the report for free. You can browse through it here, and you can download it in PDF format here.

We encourage you all to grab a copy and give it a good read, but as a service for the fast fact junkies, we've produced a few bullet points of our own. All of these are clearly supported (unlike some similar efforts you might find elsewhere) by Nicholas' report, but don't just take our word for that, check it against the full report.
Myths and Facts

Myth Windows only gets attacked most because it's such a big target, and if Linux use (or indeed OS X use) grew then so would the number of attacks.
Fact When it comes to web servers, the biggest target is Apache, the Internet's server of choice. Attacks on Apache are nevertheless far fewer in number, and cause less damage. And in some case Apache-related attacks have the most serious effect on Windows machines. Attacks are of course aimed at Windows because of the numbers of users, but its design makes it a much easier target, and much easier for an attack to wreak havoc. Windows' widespread (and often unnecessary) use of features such as RPC meanwhile adds vulnerabilities that really need not be there. Linux's design is not vulnerable in the same ways, and no matter how successful it eventually becomes it simply cannot experience attacks to similar levels, inflicting similar levels of damage, to Windows.

Myth Open Source Software is inherently dangerous because its source code is widely available, whereas Windows 'blueprints' are carefully guarded by Microsoft.
Fact This 'inherent danger' clearly has not manifested itself in terms of actual attacks. Windows-specific viruses, Trojans, worms and malicious programs exist in huge numbers, so if one gives any credence at all to this claim, one would do better to phrase it 'Open Source Software ought to be more dangerous'. But the claim itself hinges on the view - rejected by reputable security professionals - that obscurity aids security. Obscurity/secrecy can also make it more difficult for the vendors themselves to identify vulnerabilities in their own products, and can lead to security issues being neglected because they are not widely-known. The Open Source model, on the other hand, facilitates widespread review and makes it easier to identify and correct flaws. M
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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:24:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
A comparison of Linux and Windows
This document can serve as an introduction to Linux for Windows users. I created it while learning about Linux as a sort of personal cheat-sheet. The topics are in no particular order. Maybe someday . . .

Flavors: (revised Jan.2004) )Both Windows and Linux come in many flavors. All the flavors of Windows come from Microsoft, the various distributions of Linux come from different companies (i.e.Lindows, Lycoris, Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, Knoppix, Slackware). Windows has two main lines: "Win9x", which consists of Windows 95, 98, 98SE and Me, and "NT class" which consists of Windows NT, 2000 and XP. Windows actually started, in the old days, with version 3.x which pre-dated Windows 95 by a few years.

The flavors of Linux are referred to as distributions (often shortened to "distros"). All the Linux distributions released around the same time frame will use the same kernel (the guts of the Operating System). They differ in the add-on software provided, GUI, install process, price, documentation and technical support. Both Linux and Windows come in desktop and server editions.

There may be too many distributions of Linux, it's possible that this is hurting Linux in the marketplace. I suspect that the lack of a Linux distro from a major computer company is also hurting it in the marketplace. Perhaps this will change with Novell's purchase of SuSE.

Linux is customizable in a way that Windows is not. There are many special purpose versions of Linux above and beyond the full blown distributions described above. For example, NASLite is a version of Linux that runs off a single floppy disk and converts an old computer into a file server. This ultra small edition of Linux is capable of networking, file sharing and being a web server.

Graphical User Interface: Both Linux and Windows provide a GUI and a command line interface. The Windows GUI has changed from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 (drastically) to Windows 2000 (slightly) to Windows XP (fairly large) and is slated to change again with the next version of Windows, the one that will replace XP. Windows XP was the first version of Windows to allow a GUI choice. It can be used with either its new GUI or one more like Windows 2000 and Windows 9x. Linux typically provides two GUIs, KDE and Gnome. See a screen shot of Lycoris and Lindows in action from the Wal-Mart web site. Of the major Linux distributions, Lindows has made their user interface look more like Windows than the others. Then too, there is XPde for Linux which really makes Linux look like Windows. Quoting their web site "It's a desktop environment (XPde) and a window manager (XPwm) for Linux. It tries to make easier for Windows XP users to use a Linux box."

Mark Minasi makes the point (Windows and .NET magazine, March 2000) that the Linux GUI is optional while the Windows GUI is an integral component of the OS. He says that speed, efficiency and reliability are all increased by running a server instance of Linux without a GUI, something that server versions of Windows can not do. In the same article he points out that the detached nature of the Linux GUI makes remote control and remote administration of a Linux computer simpler and more natural than a Windows computer.

Text Mode Interface: This is also known as a command interpreter. Windows users sometimes call it a DOS prompt. Linux users refer to it as a shell. Each version of Windows has a single command interpreter, but the different flavors of Windows have different interpreters. In general, the command interpreters in the Windows 9x series are very similar to each other and the NT class versions of Windows (NT, 2000, XP) also have similar command interpreters. There are however differences between a Windows 9x command interpreter and one in an NT class flavor of Windows. Linux, like all versions of Unix, supports multiple command interpreters, but it usually uses one called BASH (Bourne Again Shell). Others are the<
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Muzza
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:27:03 PM  Show Profile Send Muzza a Private Message
Not Linux, but as a Unix admin I back Sailie on this one, sorry Neil
The downtime, maintenance and reliability of a unix box still slays our 60 odd windows servers, tho they are gettin better. They just don't crash.
Plus on another note Micrsucks licencing issues are going to screw small and middle businesses.
Muzza

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Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:41:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
Muzza your right.. Unix is a great box for operating a self flushing heated toilet.



Neil.

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Sailfish
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:49:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sailfish's Homepage Send Sailfish a Private Message
hmmmm at least it will work !!!
microsumfin will only back up, clog the system with wet, brown, blotchy paper and blue screen itself to sleep !!

quote:
Microsoft licencing issues are going to screw small and middle businesses.




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Muzza
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  10:59:16 PM  Show Profile Send Muzza a Private Message
Neil,
I'm talkin bout workin on boxes like 7420's, 4440's with 16b gig memory 4 800 meg processors, for a middle size business. We run 7 Unix machines and about 60 odd windows servers. I know which ones we have to flush all the time and it aint the penguins, lol.
and if ya need to update something, windows is shit, ya mose well tell everyone to go home for a week, lol.
Cheers
Muzza

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Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  11:21:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
Hmm lets see if I can say it another way

Arrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

If an article has so much of a hint of negativity against Linux, the wave of criticism from this faction will know no bounds. Any attempt to reason with them has proven challenging in the past and clearly futile now to a closed mind

Hows that??

Neil

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Muzza
Marlin



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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  11:30:47 PM  Show Profile Send Muzza a Private Message
Neil, you win
but I can go fishin a lot knowin I won't get a callout to fix my broken, invaded windows box, hehehe.
Actually we are pretty laid back at our place , it's the windows boys who are stressed.
Hope to catch up one day soon an talk fishin or beer
puters suck, fishin is better. If only we didn't need to pay the bills.
Cheers
Muzza


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Neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  11:50:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Neil's Homepage Send Neil a Private Message
Hey Muzza,

Dont feel stressed..

Try this little program if you get that stressed feeling.. Works great for me I know Sailie needs it!

Click to de-stress!

Only 6 months to Windy or even a stint at Glenbawn me thinks

Cheers

Neil.

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